The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .22-250 Remington vs .308 Winchester ammo rounds. program or calculated from the formula given in the Lyman Reloading Handbook, 43rd Edition. Both are very capable cartridges, my prefference is the .280 ,but I load. Re: 284 winchester vs 7mm-08 If feeding is a concern the 280 is ballistically identical to the 284 but is in the standard 30-06 case. The answer is that one fits in to a short action and the other gives you about an extra … I have a safe full of different calibers. 28 Nosler,,,,300WSM,,,,338-378 Wby,,,,375 Ruger. Post subject: Re: 280 Rem vs 308 Win. guess I got you all going pretty well and you seem to lean VERY heavily towards the 280, I'll provide some of the additional requested information. I am a big believer in quality bullets and good shot placement and I do like the fact that the 280 is flatter shooting and the ballistic coefficiency is better on a 7mm bullet(280) than the 30cal(308). Now there were three in the family, but it didn’t end there. Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:20 pm . When it comes time to do some serious hunting though, I always grab for the 280. With the same weight of bullet, the .280 Remington will better the velocity of the .270 Winchester every time, even if just by a small margin. The .260 Remington (also known as 6.5-08 A-Square) cartridge was introduced by Remington in 1997.Many wildcat cartridges based on the .308 Winchester case had existed for years before Remington standardized this round.. Because 6.5 mm (.264") bullets have relatively high ballistic coefficients, the .260 Remington has seen success in rifle competition including bench rest, metallic … I compared a 150-grain in the 308 Winchester against the 140 … EOD350, Brass selection is the main reason most choose the 284 Win. I built a light weight 280 Rem. The.280 is a 7mm, same diameter as the 7x57M, 7x 61 S&H, 7mm Weatherby, 7mm Rem. ... "308 Win beat by 7mm/08 Rem and 260 Rem." 115 SW Columbia St | Bend, Oregon, USA 97702 | Toll Free: Nosler Showroom / Open to the Public: Monday - Friday 10:00 am to 5:30 pm PST. Those first .270, .30-06, .243, and .308 chamberings have been joined by the .22-250, .25-06, 7mm-08, and .280 Remington. A cold, windy, wintery day here in the Rocky area. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but under-rated “standard” velocity cartridges. I have nothing against the winny but for big game the 280 gives about 10% more. weight, the sectional density is much better, giving better arodynamics in … 5 Great Late-Season Hunting Trips. All kidding aside (well mostly anyway, this thread is full of kidding!) More The Gun Nuts. I have both and shoot both. I might have to rebarrel mine into something obscure and antiquated just to escape the herd. Do you see what took place here? Either can be made to produce great accuracy. ... By the way I know the post is about 280 vs 280AI but I am using the 270 Win only to make my point because it's been around so long, is so popular and is considered a great round. I have a 338WM now that I use for moose and have done elk\mule deer combo hunts with. What kind of rifle are you interested in? Hunting. Of all the Hodgdon Extreme powders, I find H4831SC to be among the most universal and useful, especially when talking about the larger cases. [citation needed I'm in Ontario so it's mostly whitetails so it's a toss up between short and long range, but I do plan on doing a muley hunt and a caribou hunt someday which will then be long range. While recoil is more or less comparable between the two cartridges, typical .308 Winchester loads do not have as flat of a trajectory as typical .270 loads. Not so fast young man , the 270 and 308 both come in 150 grain bullets and if you compare apples to apples the 270 is superior to the 308! ; 7mm Ultra Mag. Personally I use a 280 but I handload. The 7mm-08 cartridge was derived from the .308 Win but necked down to accept a 7mm diameter bullet which we see with the smaller neck diameter of the 7mm-08 Rem. 5 Great Scout Rifles. performance and marketing success by unleashing its 280 in 1957, but they screwed it up. Either will perform more than adequately for most of the game we hunt in North America. From this cartridge, the 7.62×51 NATO round was also designed and saw brief use in the US military in Vietnam with the M14 Garand. North American Big Game (minus Grizzly/Brown bear). But the 308 being an inheritably accurate caliber, I don't load so there's more of a choice in good factory ammo I think for the 308. The .308 case gave wildcatters fresh clay to sculpt, and within a decade of the .308’s release, somebody came up with the 7mm-.308, a necked-down version of the .308 that held 7mm bullets. What if a fella happens to own one of each? The Winchester trajectory figures look like this: +2.1" at 100 yards, 0 at 200 yards, -3.4" at 250 yards, and -8.5" at 300 yards. .308 Winchester. They are both good choices for there intended purposes. "mountain rifle" in the late 70's, and personally, i don't think in "this" case the imp is worth it at all. Richard Mann tries to defend his beloved 308 Winchester against the ballistically superior 7mm-08 Remington championed by Ron Spomer. When their is potential for longer shots I will reach for the gentlemen’s 7mm mag. I also have a 223 for varmints so I need something to fill my needs in between. The recoil energy and recoil velocity figures are taken from various sources including the recoil nomograph in the Handloader's Digest 8th Edition, various online recoil calculators, the Remington Shoot! Not a handloader, I'd go 308win. I can hardly bear to turn away from purchasing a good 280 Remington or 308 Winchester rifle. The only disadvantage of the .280 Remington, in comparison to the parent .30-06 cartridge, is that for large heavily muscled animals the .30-06 user has a choice of 180 to 240 grain projectiles of both soft or heavy construction. You realy can't go wrong with either , ammo will be more readily available for the 308. I would go for a Browning BLR 308 for thich timber and brush and short range shots. I’m talking 7mm-08 vs. .308; .280 Rem. I thought the 30 cal special was a necked up 7x57 case? However, the .308 performs better with heavier bullets than the .270 and is available in a wider range of bullet weights and models. It’s indisputable that a .30 caliber delivers more energy than a comparable 7mm. All were Remington Core-Lokt, an extremely popular bullet in the deer woods. I have a 308 so I would probably have to take a 280...I have more use for one of those as I have a 300 Savage, a 308, two 30-06's, and a 300 WSM so I think I have the 30 cal club quite decently covered! In the 150gr. i am running the same brand barrel and same load as they are. Guns. Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. Not long after the .280 Remington made its public debut, wildcatters had their way with the .308 Winchester case, marrying it to the 7mm bullets, resulting in the 7mm/308 wildcat. i am at 2k rounds right now and it still shoots as good as it ever has. (within your original question). The straight 280 Rem. I may have the chance to buy either a 280 or 308. Because you don't handload I'd look no farther than the .308 Win. Just about any caliber will kill a deer as long as you get that first bullet in the right spot. Using this bullet weight the 270 win has a ballistic coefficieny of 496 and a sectional density of 279 , the 308 or 30 cal bullet has a BC of 435 and a SD of 226. Along with the 260 and 7/08, I would certainly include the 280 Rem as well. Faster Less drop and wind deviation .280 Remington vs .270 Winchester. You guys are just so much help, that's all I got to say! Re: 284 Win -vs- 280 Rem our local guys got close to 3k accurate rounds of of their 284s running a 175 smk at around 2850 fps. Well. Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 8 guests, Nosler Inc | Privacy Use Order Processing. Latest. Regardless of whether a Featherweight was built in 1952 or 2018, I believe it is one of the finest standard-production, big-game rifles of all time. This resulted in the .243 Win and .358 Win. If you go for the NULA then get the 280. the .284 W is much younger than the .280, but not as young as the "new kid" the 7mm-08. I am looking for and I do need a gun for deer sized game. Unlike the .270 Winchester, the .280 Remington has been struggling almost since its inception in 1957. The first sensible comparison is with the 7-08 Rem, a similarly designed calibre using the .308 Win as the parent case instead of the .30-06. The bullets I compared in this video were not identical, but as close as I could come. (Dec. 21st, the first day of winter, ya right!). I just barely sold those 280 RCBS dies to you and Ruger and these jokers on this site go and do this to a guy! By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily. A Few Kind Words About the .280 Remington. The .308 Winchester/.308 Win/.308 was introduced in 1952 in the United States. At 200 yards the figures are 2344 fps and 1830 ft. lbs. The 280 Rem. Remington tried to match Winchester’s 270 Win. Maybe I could shorten the neck a tad, blow out the shoulder to keep the same case capacity with a deeper seating depth but make it work better in a standard military mauser 98 action. 7mm-08 Pros. The 30-06 and 308 are just copies, IMAG0080.jpg [ 944.71 KiB | Viewed 1379 times ], IMAG0075.jpg [ 1.45 MiB | Viewed 1379 times ]. is old school and everyone on here knows that old school won't work. In 1980, Remington decided there was consumer demand for a commercial version of the 7mm-.308 wildcat, and the 7mm-08 Rem. I'll have to read up on the specs for .280 Ross, see if it will work with the original '91 8X57J case head that most of our modern cases are based on. Far more important is to pick the rifle you are comfortable with and can shoot well. These ballistics make it clear that the .284 is still every bit as good as the .280 Remington with the same weight bullet. The .280 Remington is capable of generating slightly higher velocities in heavier bullet weights (150 grains and above) than the .270 Winchester due to a marginally greater case capacity. etc. on average has the same case capacity as the 284 Shehane. Make 260 Remington vs. 308 Test Fair. With a 200-yard zero, the drop to 400 yards is just over 3in less with the .280 when shooting the same 140-grain Nosler Ballistic Tip. i have no experience with a 280 to make a comparison. Application? That’s not the point, or at least it shouldn’t be whenever one hears the 7mm vs 30 caliber argument. was born. In 1955, three years after the .308’s commercial introduction, Winchester necked down its case to 6mm and up to .358. vs. .30-06; 7mm STW vs. .300 Wby. You guys around here are making the .280 too popular. And why wouldn’t it? Remington legitimized the cartridge in 1980, releasing the 7mm-08 Remington to the hunting world. the reasons I stick with my .308 are: If I had a .308, I wouldn't jettison it just to buy a .280 (unless the .280 was a CRF Winchester Featherweight). How Remington Made a Mess Instead of an Overnight Success Based on its .284-inch bullets and ballistic potential, the 280 Remington should have been an … It also utilizes the .30-06 as a parent case, and as it's necked down to .284, its bullet is exactly .007 inch larger than the .270. For Ontario deer hunting any cartridge from 243 to 45-70 can be appropriate. Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:28 am Posts: 300 Location: Western Wisconsin I would go for a Browning BLR 308 for thich timber and brush and short range shots. Call it the .281 curmudgeon .279 Einzelgänger or something. I pillar bedded, steel bedded the action, and free floated the barrel on my rem 700. i also installed a timney trigger. Let's throw another calibre on the table. 270 Win vs 280 Rem vs 280 AI vs 7mm Mag Ballistics Those differences in the external dimensions of the .270 Winchester, .280 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved, and 7mm Remington Magnum do translate into differences in ballistic performance, though probably not quite as much as you’d initially expect. that is not saying the 284 is better or worse than the 280 though. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet weight, o It’s equally at home inside a .300 Winchester Magnum case as it is inside a .270 Winchester, .280 Remington or .25-06 Remington and has been factory loaded in the .470 Nitro Express. August 2, 2006. 7-08 vs 280 is about the same as the 308 vs 30-06 discussion. The end result was a 7 mm cartridge with about the same overall length as the .308 Winchester but with a wider body, that yields a powder capacity about the same as that of the .270 Winchester and .280 Remington. Standard cartridge Good barrel life Feeds reliably great for hunting Mild recoil.284 Pros. RADD strikes again. The 280 is the 06 of the 284 calibers, probably the best for big game. along with the shape of the cartridge case. vs. .300 Ultra Mag. 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